LUISA
TRIANA, A DANCER EXILED
June, 2001
Candela
Olivo
Flamenco
was also on the train of exiles from the Spanish
Civil War. Fleeing from the bombs, more than
from political convictions, the dancer Antonio
Triana jumped from Madrid to Paris, where as
fate would have it, he ran into other flamenco
artists. It was also by chance that Argentinita
was also there, and that Solomon Hurok would
catapult them to the American continent. Antonio
Triana had Luisa in tow, his first-born, who
despite exile, was never deprived of the
artistic heritage of the land of her birth.
But
distance betrays awareness, for few know that
Luisa Triana (Sevilla, 1933), niece of the
musician Manuel García Matos, started out in New
York at the age of eight under the supervision
of Argentinita, that during the forties and
fifties she shared the bill with the team formed
by her father and Carmen Amaya, that she worked
with Luis Buñuel in Hollywood, that she toured
the most prestigious stages of North America
with her own company, that she collaborated with
the Symphonic Orchestra of Las Vegas, a state
which eventually named her artist of the year,
that she holds the first professorship of
flamenco dance which was set up by the
University of Nevada... And that she returned
from the long exile one decade ago, having
traded in her dance shoes for paintbrushes, and
realized her dream of living on the banks of the
Guadalquivir.
Luisa Triana dancing with her father, in New
York (1942)
Where
does flamenco come from on the other side of the
ocean?
Flamenco
comes from the earth. But even though I was out
of Spain, I was in a very flamenco environment.
In any case, I've been returning periodically to
renew myself ever since the age of eighteen,
because if you stay in America your dancing
becomes stilted. When I didn't feel right inside
my body, I said, that's it, time to return. It's
enough just to see the expression on people's
faces in a tablao, in a restaurant, or just the
general ambience. I'm convinced it comes from
the earth. And although it's true that everyone
puts their grain of sand, flamenco has come to
be what it is without the influence of other
kinds of music. I didn't realize it until I
began my own journey, alongside my father. I
didn't begin to feel flamenco as it really is
until I was thirty years old. A few little trips
here gave me the impetus I needed. But over
there I had a lot of work, and since I got
married, you know how it is...
What is
the basis?
It's a
combination of Argentinita's delicacy and Carmen
Amaya's strength. My father wanted me to dance
like La Argentinita. I like the classic pieces,
but flamenco interested me more... Carmen
Amaya's influence, and her footwork were
determining factors. But what Carmen had wasn't
just lots of footwork, but also great
musicality. Few people in Spain know the best of
Carmen, she was already ill when she made the
movie Los Tarantos. She was at her best in
America. Over there she had her ambience because
she wouldn't go anywhere without her family.
There were about twenty people in her family,
all gypsies, living in their own fashion. It was
just as if she were over here. Besides being a
good person, she was very sure of her art. Since
she was not envious, she gave everything. She
met me when I was a little girl and when I came
back from New York she received me with open
arms. Other people didn't... and they weren't
Carmen Amaya.
What was
Luisa Triana's dance like?
I now
realize that it took a long time before I danced
in a personal way. I'm interested in analyzing
myself. At first I did what my father told me to
do until I broke out of the shell: I did my own
experimenting, some of it was alright, and some
a bit mediocre. A person has to try things. It
pleases me to see that the young people are
experimenting, but they have to realize where
their strength lies. I started out working with
the finest musicians like Miguel Gálvez and Pepe
Segundo. Thanks to their quality, I began to
evolve more and more. And also my trips to Spain
which nourished me, I came back renewed. My
choreographic work between the ages of thirty
and fifty corresponds to my best epoch (and I
retired at 58). I wanted to leave flamenco in
1977 when I went from California to Las Vegas.
There was no flamenco ambience there, as opposed
to California where there was beginning to be
some, because originally it was only New York. I
thought I was going to retire, but the Las Vegas
Symphony Orchestra started giving concerts of de
Falla, I began to remember old pieces, and it
was so well-received that I was putting numbers
together for fifteen years. There were very good
dancers to fill out the group, but I always
looked for Spanish artists who went there to
work. People came and went all the time in the
company.
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Luisa Triana during a performance in New York
(1955)
Hollywood and Buñuel came into your life...
That was
in the forties. I went by streetcar to the
Columbia studios (she's setting the table as she
tries to recall details..."I warned you I was a
vegetarian"). All things Spanish were
fashionable at that time. They called my father
to make some movies and we moved from New York
to Hollywood. Someone told Luis Buñuel there was
a little girl who danced and that she had an
Andalusian accent. They summoned me to Columbia
studies, he interviewed me and I danced... he
really got excited. He directed me a bit, but
his job at that time was getting people for the
movies. That was before he became important, he
was studying and getting ideas, but he was
already very respected. He stood out because he
looked very Spanish, just like my father, always
wearing a cap. Since I was so small - I was nine
- I didn't know he was somebody important. In
the beginning, I dubbed different children's
voices, until later on when I had dancing parts.
When I was fifteen or sixteen, I dubbed American
actresses, but from a distance, dancing. It was
kind of Spanishy corn, but it's what was popular
back then. And it paid very well.
The
Hollywood era continued until they went to
Mexico in 1949. From there, they would
occasionally go out to work in countries like
Cuba, Italy or the United States. "You couldn't
stay in the same place". They were settled in
the land of the Aztecs for five years, a time
during which Antonio Triana was with Sarita
Montiel, and they made a movie with Lola Flores,
La Faraona, for whom they choreographed Ravel's
Bolero: "They were crazy about her in Mexico.
She wasn't a dancer, but she was such an
artist... she made the most of everything".
Is
flamenco perceived differently now?
Audiences today are much more prepared, more
knowledgeable than before. Outside of Spain
there's always been a little nucleus. America is
full of Spaniards. Not all of them maintain an
interest in flamenco but the majority, whenever
there's something that has to do with Spain,
they react. Backstage there was always someone,
no matter where you went. Some of them demand
more than you expect. Since I understand
English, I would listen to them in the tablaos.
Three out of a table of twenty might be in the
know and aren't criticizing, but rather
analyzing. You can't just give them any old
thing nowadays.
Flamenco
is also of interest to people who don't
understand it, who are just curious. But it's
always going to be from the foreign audience,
never like here where they go to see flamenco
because they like it. I think the reason that so
many people like flamenco is that it's always
been a very sincere form of expression, and
belonging very much to Spain, something you
didn't see in other places.
Have you
ever felt the rejection of the flamenco
community for having been away for such a long
time?
I've
seen it, but I haven't felt rejected. What I've
realized is that they don't know who I am, they
don't know what I've done. I don't like to brag,
and my father didn't like to at all, but I did
achieve some very important things through
thirty years of dancing. But no one is to blame,
I chose to come here. I wasn't involved in this
world of flamenco, only briefly between 1969 and
1970. My husband gave me 'permission' and I made
a little group for which I contracted José
Antonio who was only 19 and he danced... He
danced a little farruca and did a few deep turns
from the waist... That's how I like technique,
in compas, but with ability and a flamenco
flavor... We were scheduled three times in
Pasapoga in Madrid, but I had to go back. To
tell the truth, I've felt sad at times not being
able to be here. Little by little people are
starting to know who I am. Cristina Hoyos saw me
in America, Matilde Coral also remembers me. But
they didn't see my work and don't know how to
judge it.
When I
came, my idea was to paint. I had given up
dancing for many personal as well as physical
reasons, I've had three operations on my knee,
and since I didn't continue with my exercises,
it never quite healed. Until finally I had to
use a cane. Some day, when some girl is
interested, I'll show her my repertoire so that
she can bring it up to date. If there's no
opportunity, the truth is I've already set my
mind on painting.

Luisa Triana painting, recently, at her studio
in Seville.
How did
you trade in the footlights for canvasses?
I always
painted, from the age of ten. My father gave me
a lot of encouragement in painting, for him it
was a great dream. Every time he saw the
opportunity, he would send me to maestros. I was
in contact with artists from whom I learned more
than if I had studied fine art. My maestros were
Will Foster, Nicolai Fechin, and Carlos Ruano
Llopis. Because of the operations, I
rediscovered painting. At a party, after a
performance of the Symphony Orchestra in Las
Vegas, a lady encouraged me to give my first
exposition at the end of the eighties:
Moments of Flamenco. I went to work painting
flamenco themes, because that's what I feel most
confident with. I don't feel like a real
painter. Since I know a little about paint and
composition, I held my own.
Is it
possible to be flamenco without dancing, playing
guitar, or singing?
I use
the word flamenco related to paintings to
identify what I'm painting, but I don't know if
you could actually say it has anything to do
with flamenco. For portraits I like to produce
an impression, not a faithful representation.
Most of the time, if I look for the likeness, it
doesn't happen. I capture the impression that
that person produces in me. I think you can be
flamenco without being a professional. The
audiences are clued in, half of them are capable
of singing, playing, or dancing a little, the
other half wouldn't be able to, but they
understand a great deal.
For me,
flamenco is singing, dancing and playing. It's
what I look for when I need something flamenco.
When I was in Jerez, I saw a lot of grass-roots
flamenco, the flamenco of the families and the
peñas (clubs). It's something that in the States
I didn't quite have clear. I distinguish between
that kind of flamenco, that a shoemaker might
get up and do his little dance, from the kind of
flamenco you see at a tablao or in a dance
school, which is also very important, because
you have to protect the authenticity of schools
such as the Seville style. That's where the
preparation comes from, and from there comes
tablao flamenco. After the seventies, when the
heyday of the tablaos was over, dancers only
performed for tourists... the presentation
suffered, as well as the artists, because they
weren't striving for anything, but rather just
going over the same thing. And there is the
flamenco of the theaters, where I like to see
there are no glitches with curtains and such,
where technical advances such as lighting help
to see things in flamenco that in a peña you
can't see, those dramatic effects. Flamenco is
effective wherever you put it, as long as you
respect these things.
What
does painting take from flamenco?
As far
as I'm concerned, everything. When I'm going to
paint I have to go and see something, even if
it's to a dance school. Since everything is
repeated, I'm able to capture details, at the
same time I maintain the spontaneity of the
movement. It's not the same when they pose for
you. Live flamenco is fundamental in order to
paint. I catch the whole picture of the
movement, not its beginning or its end, which
are static moments.
I tend
to use oils, chalk, and charcoal. I like to
paint on wood in order to allow the grain to
form part of the picture. And I limit the
palette of colors because flamenco, if you were
to reflect all its color, turns into a picture
postcard and becomes commercial. I've got work
started of Cristina Hoyos, Matilde Coral,
several of Pepa Montes.
In
painting you assume the role of spectator...
But I
really enjoy being a spectator over here... not
in America.
Luisa
Triana is full of plans. She is awaiting her
dream house in Triana in order to concentrate on
an exposition in Paris where she has already
made contact with three galleries. And in the
meantime she continues sending paintings to the
United States and "enjoying myself and getting
adjusted, because there have been some very
radical changes that you don't notice when you
just come to visit". In her mind, always
inspired by the triumvirate of Sorolla, Sargent,
and Velázquez, there is an idea coming together
of representing "the different moments of each
dance". Time is what's in short supply to
prepare "a show of the caliber of the one I
prepared for Jerez", Embrujo de Danza, which was
awarded the National Flamenco Prize for Fine Art
by the Cátedra de Flamencología of Jerez.
What do
you miss most of the flamenco you have
experienced?
Flamenco
used to make you feel, it shouldn't just
surprise. When it's good, when it's in its
place, it makes you feel. To advance the
technique is a positive thing, but keeping it in
its place. Flamenco reaches all the emotions of
the soul, to the most sophisticated of our
sentiments. And young artists have forgotten the
difficulty of flamenco. They think it's easy,
they don't appreciate that what they've got is a
gift that must be cared for.